John Kerry Talks to Imus (Video)
by Pamela LeaveyJohn Kerry was on Imus In The Morning, today. Kerry did a great job explaining his ‘botched’ joke and who’s to blame for the distortions.
Watch The Video Here:
“This is Swiftboat stuff all over again” — John Kerry
AP News reports on the Imus interview:
“Of course I’m sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes?” Kerry said during an appearance on Don Imus’ nationally syndicated radio program. “I mean, you know, it’s pretty stupid.”
Kerry, D-Mass., said he meant no offense to troops. “You cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school,” he said. But he said the White House was purposely twisting his words, and asserted that it is Bush who owes troops an apology for a misguided war in Iraq.
“I’m sorry that that’s happened,” he said of his comment. “But I’m not going to stand back from the reality here, which is, they’re trying to change the subject. It’s their campaign of smear and fear.”
Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, head of the DSCC campaign effort, called the White House attacks on John Kerry an effort by Bush “to divert attention from his failed Iraq policy.”
“Instead of going on television attacking John Kerry and everyone else under the sun, the president ought to be sitting at his desk coming up with a plan for Iraq,” Schumer said.
The head of the Democratic party also downplayed Kerry’s remarks. “Kerry made a blooper. Bloopers happen,” Howard Dean told reporters in Burlington, Vt.
James Carville spoke up yesterday on The Situation Room:
“It is much easier to say, I botched a joke, than to say, I botched a war. And he was very frank. … He gave an explanation. And, as I say, Senator Kerry is one of the great war heroes to ever serve in the Congress. He has about a 100 percent record when it comes to the veterans. So, I don’t understand exactly what the problem is. He didn’t owe anybody an apology. He owed an explanation” — The Situation Room – CNN, 10/31.
And then there was this from Bill O’Reilly:
I don’t believe John Kerry meant to demean any American military member. I just don’t. I think that fair-minded people know that that would be political suicide for the senator. He wouldn’t do it.” — O’Reilly Factor, Fox News – 10/31.
The transcript of John Kerry on Imus In The Morning is as follows:
In an unscheduled call-in interview this morning, Senator John Kerry (D-Ma) spoke with Don Imus about his misstatements in a speech Monday. He said that he is “sorry for the botched joke,” and that “everybody knows I botched a joke.” He also says he is going back to Washington so that he is “not a distraction” to the campaigns.
You can read the transcript from the conversation below.
DON IMUS, HOST: Please welcome to the “Imus in the Morning” program now the junior senator from the state of Massachusetts, Senator John Kerry.
Good morning, Senator Kerry.
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Good morning, Don Imus. How are you?
IMUS: Please stop it.
(LAUGHTER)
Stop talking. Go home, get on the bike, go windsurfing, anything. Stop it. You’re going to ruin this.
(LAUGHTER)
KERRY: I’m not going to let these guys distort something completely out of its context solely for the purpose of avoiding responsibility, which is what they’re doing.
Look, everybody knows I botched a joke. It’s not the first time anybody’s done that, Don. Am I right?
IMUS: … the first time you’ve done it.
KERRY: Not the first time I’ve done it. But on the other hand, it’s just a disgraceful thing when people try to assert that somebody like me, who has spent 35 years of my life fighting for veterans, standing up for veterans, fighting for their combat pay, fighting for Agent Orange recognition, fighting for their armor, fighting for their up-armored Humvees, fighting for them to have a strategy that wins, fighting to honor them that the notion that this comment was directed at them is an insult by these guys, and they know it. I mean, that’s really the bottom line here.
Look, this is a great volunteer army. And the word “volunteer” army means you have to be smart to get in it. They know that. Everybody knows. You can’t get in the military today if you’re not capable and not smart.
This comment couldn’t have been directed at them, because you can’t get into the military by doing badly in school. This was directed at the people who didn’t do their homework, didn’t listen to history, didn’t listen to their own advice, and they owe the American people an apology.
Now, I’m coming back to Washington today so that I’m not a distraction, because I don’t want to be a distraction to these campaigns. And the point is simply: They owe America an apology for this disaster in Iraq. And I hope they’re going to provide it.
IMUS: I was talking to Charles last night about this, and it was my inclination to try to defend you in this. And I said, I think I know what he meant. I mean, it’s clear what he meant. But I had to acknowledge, in my conversation with Charles, that that’s not what you said.
KERRY: Of course, it isn’t what I said.
I left out one word. I left out the word “us.” “They got us stuck.” Instead of that, I said, “They got stuck,” and they’re taking advantage of it.
And here’s what’s wrong…
IMUS: Well, why not apologize for the misunderstanding?
KERRY: Well, I did. I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I’m sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes? I mean, it’s pretty stupid.
But on the other hand, here’s what’s culpable and here’s what’s really unconscionable: The White House knows it. They know I wasn’t—you cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school. You can’t do it. It wouldn’t make sense. What they’re saying to people doesn’t make sense because it’s an impossibility.
But they’ve taken those words, just like they take words all the time, and they distort them on purpose in order to distract America from their policy. A hundred young Americans died last month. These guys don’t have a policy. Dick Cheney is saying that things are, you know, going fine in Iraq. They’re sitting around pretending that they’ve got a policy.
And I think families ought to be far more outraged about the fact that their kids don’t have a state-of-the-art armor. They ought to be far more outraged about the fact that they’re still, years later, pursuing a strategy that just doesn’t work.
KERRY: And these guys owe America an apology. That’s what ought to be the issue.
I’m happy—I’m not going to go to some place that a Congressman’s going to get embroiled in this, because I want them to win. But I want the real issues to be the real issues. And I’m just not going to let these guys lie.
IMUS: Can you see, though, how, based on the interpretation of other remarks you’ve made in the past, that they would—and you have to recognize that particularly the Bush administration would use this as an opportunity. I tend to agree that they know exactly what you meant, but they’ve seized on this because they’ve been given this opening by this botched joke.
KERRY: Sure.
IMUS: Why not, along with apologizing for the botched joke, at least apologize for the perception and the misunderstanding of your remarks, and then move on? And please, I’m just begging you…
KERRY: Well, I did.
KERRY: I said very clearly (inaudible) I said, obviously, I’m happy that they have an opportunity to be able to take something and exploit it. Obviously, not. I am sorry that that’s happened.
But I’m not going to stand back from the reality here, which is they’re trying to change the subject. It’s their campaign of smear and fear. They’re going at—and, incidentally, when you say I’ve done something in the past. I’ve told the truth in the past. I’ve never done anything except tell the truth. And I’m not going to take anybody’s comment to suggest that somehow my telling the truth was a mistake.
The American people rely on the truth. And when I came back from Southeast Asia, I told the truth. And I’m proud that I stood up and told the truth then, and I’ve told the truth about Iraq every single step of the way.
These guys have failed America. The people who owe an apology are people like Donald Rumsfeld, who didn’t send enough troops, who didn’t listen to the generals, who has made every mistake in the book.
You read “State of Denial” today and you cringe, you absolutely cringe at the level at which these guys have been irresponsible.
And what they’re doing right now—frankly, the media needs to stand up to them, too. They shouldn’t be allowed to do that. This is Swift Boat stuff all over again. Somebody says something and they get excited and they love—and have fun, because, oh boy, isn’t this good, you’ve got a controversy.
But look behind the controversy. The controversy is based on a lie.
IMUS: What do you think—I understand about the Bush folks. But Senator John McCain, he seems to think—he seems to agree with the Bush administration about your comments. And you know him, obviously, better than I do, but I know him pretty well. And he probably knows what you meant, too.
KERRY: I’m sorry that John McCain has said what he said. John McCain’s been a friend for a long time. But I have to tell you, I think John McCain is wrong about this.
John McCain has been a cheerleader for a policy that is incorrect. John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don’t have another 100,000 troops. Secondly, if you send them over there, it’s going to do exactly what’s already happened, which is attract more terrorists and more jihadists. Our own generals are telling us that it’s the numbers of troops that are the problem.
And the fact is that that’s what’s adding to the number of terrorists in the world.
So I think it’s the wrong policy. And I think that we have to stand up and be courageous and critical of a policy that isn’t working.
IMUS: Did you…
KERRY: One of the reasons they’re attacking me is that what I’ve been saying is true. What I’ve been saying has some impact. And that’s exactly what they do, they go after you and they try to create a sideline controversy to, sort of, change the discussion.
KERRY: The real discussion is about their failure in Iraq.
IMUS: Did you say you were going back to Washington?
KERRY: I’m going to go back to Washington. And I’m going to go back to tackle this, you bet.
IMUS: OK. You’re not going to Tennessee for Harold Ford, are you?
KERRY: No.
IMUS: Good.
KERRY: I was not going down there.
IMUS: Thank you…
(LAUGHTER)
IMUS: I’m begging you to stay away, because I really need that one. Just don’t screw this up.
KERRY: Don, I’m going to heed your advice. I have no intention of screwing it up.
But you know what would screw it up is if we shift off the topic of Iraq. Iraq is what this is about. They know it. They’re trying to change the topic. They want the topic to be about what they know was a small gaff.
Incidentally, how many times has the president made some kind of a gaff of one kind or another…
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
IMUS: Oh, yes. But O.J. killed his wife, doesn’t mean I’m going to.
KERRY: I understand. That’s a good comment, and I agree with that.
But the point I was making was very simple: These guys didn’t do their homework, they didn’t listen…
IMUS: Oh, I know what you meant. But, I mean, God, just stop it, I’m begging you.
(LAUGHTER)
I love you, but just stop it. I’m begging you.
KERRY: Well, I think it’s important to talk about Iraq.
(CROSSTALK)
IMUS: I’m begging you.
KERRY: I hear you. You do not have to beg. You’re my friend. I understand what you’re saying. But I’m telling you, I’m not going to let these guys lie and smear. And they’ve put their whole machine out to do it. And they ought to apologize to the American people.
IMUS: Stop now. Stop now. I’m begging you.
KERRY: You got it.
IMUS: Going to let you go.
Senator John Kerry here on the “Imus in the Morning” program.
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I hate when he talks to Imus. Imus is like John McCain. With friends like that, who the fuck needs enemies. Imus was awful to him.
Sandrakae
He did fine on Imus – just fine. JK.com has the video up too. Imus is snarky.
Pamela
I’m a depressed Kerrycrat right now who really thinks (as much as I don’t want to) that this puts the lid on a Kerry 08 bid. I know were supposed to be focused on 06, but do you have any words of uplift? It’s just not fair after all Kerry has done in campagning and raising money for this to happen-and who the hell is Hillary Rodham bitchton (excuse me) to dump on a hero like JK?
Nick
No surrender! Bush looks like a complete twit out there campaigning against John Kerry and Hill well – she can just STFU! This election is NOT about JK and shame – abso-f’inglutely shame on the Repubs for trying to make it. This will hit them in the ass and the also hit those Dems in the party too who don’t get it!
Nick,
I feel exactly as you do. I search and search for some silver lining for his future goals but am stunned that a few words (not even the most awful) could change someone’s momentum in a snap.
I always look for the positive, but must admit this was really a sad day. Because many of us who share support for Kerry are looking at ‘06 and ‘08. I also enjoyed watching his work in ‘06 play a big part in the upward movement the party has been experiencing. I hate to feel he has to be cast aside now. Sure is disappointing that his voice has been silenced. Everytime I hear a smirkish “Shut up”…”Stop Messing things up” thrown at him so quickly from a so-called liberal leaning person (talk show host, blogger, etc). It hurts. It often seems he works hard just to be turned on. He has to be 100% perfect while others accept much less then average from other leaders. Looks like a lot of ‘08 contenders (in and out of the part…hint Clinton & McCain) could not wait to pounce on him. And others who were quick to take his money 2 days ago for fundraisers now want to distance from him because only their goals matter. What about larger party goals, supporting one another, beating the opponents at their slimy games and calling it what it is.
Oh well…things happen for a reason. Tomorrow is a new day.
DAS
We’re talking about a man here that has more class and more fight in him then Hill, or the rest of the Dem hopefuls. Remember that. Yes this sucks – I won’t deny it, but we need to remeber this is not about JK, it not about ‘06 — it is about the screwed up agenda of the GOP and it will come back on them and so too it will come back on the Hill’s and the rest who don’t get it.
Tomorrow is a new day – no surrender.
Nick, DAS, Pam,
I feel the say way. I am sad that those he has worked hard for are distancing themselves from him. Does he have any friends anymore? He has so much more to offer than Hillary and the others.
Indie
Keep the faith. Seriously – all of you, we have to do what we can to help get out the vote – we have to do it for JK.
Pamela, you and teresa are the ultimate cheerleaders but I’m sad about what this has done to JK and how the dems couldn’t wait to slit his throat.
I’m mad as hell because once again bush and rove get away with this stuff and them dems jump.
I think Kerry needs to get his side out and after nov. 7 forge onward.
I don’t think I can stomach him calling mccain a friend again.
what about what allen’s people did to the blogger? Where is the outrage from the dems?
I’m sorry but I’ll support Kerry but as for the rest of the bunch hell with them.
I think the fact that he had made a lot of headway in 06 and 05 now to see it gone is hard for a lot of his supporters to take and it will take something from JK to get the momentum back.
He’s on his own now the party will not support him in 08.
As for 06 until bush is gone the only good thing about the dems possible take over is if a more lib supreme court justice has to leave they can stop another alito.
a lot the people turning on kerry after he spoke out if it had been clinton this woulden’t have happened.
Damn when O’rielly says he doesn’t believe JK meant to demean the troops and other non-Kerry lovers speak up then what is the dem party problem other than contempt.
At this rate JK will get a better reception on the o’rielly show and faux than his own party that’s a sad commentary on the dem party.
If O’Liely said that, then we all know where the problem is. As Tavis Smiley said during the Alito filibuster, there are too many spaghetti, spineless Democrats in office right now. And he is right.
I am glad I am an independent voter.
This link may cheer you guys up a little.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/opinion/02thu1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Indie- now o’rielly may change his tune later but when I read that i was I never thought I’d paraphrase O’rielly on anything but its sad.
I’ll check out your link but I tell you one thing if the dems had stood up then this story wouldn’t have had the legs it got because the GOP and msm wouldn’t have had much of a story. But as usual the dems shoot their own foot and blame Kerry just like a few years ago they blamed gore for everything.
MSNBC has a headline Imus tells Kerry go home or something like that. As usual they didn’t even bother to elaborate the pricks.
Answer to the editorial no way will there be bipartisianship in DC while bush is in office. come on nobody really believes that accept lieberman.
IF bipartisanship means one has to grovel to the GOP to get anything done, put up with traitors like Lieberman, hypocrites like McCain, fence sitters like hillary and compromise on the few fabrics left such as global warming, stem cells, supreme court judges then forget it.
Indie
Thanks for link. Will post it.
Pen
I’m mad as hell myself, but trying to be level headed at the same time. Point blank we need to win next week. After that well…
Pamela
God your an uplifting lady. Thanks for the pick me up. Living inside (or close to) the Beltway of DC you’d be amazed how much snark you’d hear thrust in JK’s direction.
Funny how no Democrats attacked Hill back in May when she basically accused young workers of being lazy. Does that mean that the Dems endorse her statements? If so, then there go our chances in 2008.
Nick
We will not be detered and if I know JK he will not be detered either. From what I have seen the netroots gets what happens and many are disgusted by the turncoats like Hill. She never apologized for her Iraq vote – her attitude on this was strictly selfserving and folks know it.
Pamela- I’m just tired of the hillary’s and many other spineless dems crap.
If they don’t stand up now I truly don’t be believe they will be any better after they win congress.
Why? because they don’t have no loyalty and few of them still have any guts to take on rove and bush.
If they get in and screw the party over like they did this past year then what?
They will be in charge and the dc dems don’t think they need the regular joe/Josie party voter because they will have gotten what they wanted power.
Plus the corporate media will shill for hillary forcing her candiacy on the rest of the party.
Keep the faith yall and perhaps my voice of doom won’t come true but history always repeats its self in Washington DC.
Even though I’m mad as hell thanks for giving me a place to rant. I just hope JK can pull this thing around.
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Today’s Show
November 01 , 2006
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