Gov. Warner Wants to be Part of the Iraq Debate
by Pamela LeaveyIn a move that clearly sounded like a man entering the 2008 presidential race, Gov. Mark Warner offered his two cents on the Iraq debate today.
The United States needs to set milestones for progress, not a firm withdrawal date, before it can leave Iraq, Virginia governor and prospective Democratic presidential candidate Mark Warner said on Monday.
“This Democrat doesn’t think we need to re-fight how we got into (the Iraq war). I think we need to focus more on how to finish it,” Warner said.
“To set an arbitrary deadline or specific date is not appropriate,” he said. “… It is incumbent on the president to set milestones for what he believes will be the conclusion.”Warner outlined an Iraq policy during his appearance before New York’s Asia Society, and said he might run for president after his term as governor expires in January. “I clearly want to be part of the national debate,” he said.
While some have been touting Warner of late as the new darling candidate for ’08, this democrat is not impressed. I will say however that Warner’s use of the term “milestones” does have a vague ring to it, could it be that Warner is echoing John Kerry’s call for benchmarks? If that would be the case, credit where credit is due would be appropriate.
I rarely speak mind in terms of potential candidates or elected officials, but what I have read of Warner simply does not impress me. Among the questions looming for me is Warner’s death penalty stance:
Warner (D) has not yet granted clemency to a condemned killer since he took office in 2002. The state has executed 11 men in that time. But now, as Warner is considering a run for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, he must make a decision on the most controversial death penalty case of his four-year term.
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Well it didn’t take long for warner’s true colors to show. the mile stones plan is same thing kerry has been talking about for months. Warner wants the democratic nomination but not the democratic label.
He all of a sudden things he can trash dems in washington while appealing to moderates and conservatives. Well Liberman tried the same thing but even he’s more dem than warner.
I live in the state he governs and somebody needs to ask him why he hasn’t pushed for the native tribes in VA to get sovereign status. The past governors always used the excuse they would build casinos. So what that’s no excuse to deny them federal status.
Also, Why isn’t he running for senate against George Allen? If he wants to really help the country that’s a good place to start. After all Warner had to clean up Allen’s and Gilmore’s money pit. He says he will help the dems find a good candidate to take on Allen. Why won’t he do it himself unless he thinks he can’t win.
Warner is a Republican lite and as far as I’m concern if he can’t march with dems across the country then he can rot in northern VA. Dems better make it clear that there are somethings we aren’t willing to sell our souls for to get into the whitehouse and settling for a republican in a donkey suit is one of them.
He ain’t Bill Clinton either.
Wow, Warner is pretty conservative! You know this just makes me more impressed that Tim Kaine won… he’s much more liberal!
In terms of electoral strategy, Warner is a guy I’d like to be able to like, but so far I’ve been unimpressed. He sounds good when you look at his biography (Democratic governor in red state, etc) but that’s hardly enough.
When speaking on national policy, whatever I’ve heard from him comes down to vague statements that he’ll be more moderate than Kerry. If we want someone to the right of Kerry, we have the Republican Party. If Warner is somewhere between Kerry and the Republicans, as presumably he claims, he’ll have to be more specific as to where he actually stands on the issues.
I was also very unimpressed with him when I reviewed his statements at a health care symposium. He showed no where near the knowlege John Kerry has shown when discussing health care issues.
He doesn’t seem like national material, but maybe it’s to early to tell and I shouldnt jump to conclusions. But if you try to compare his foreign policy experience to JK’s, it’s laughable…
Well I guess I wasn’t off here in my opinion. It will be interesting to see what he says next and if he actually offers some sort of plan, though I am not sure what qualifies him to even offer one on Iraq.
Governor Who? Is that like Dr. No? Ha! LOL!
Seriously, Warner needs to work on who he is. Out here in the Pacific Northwest I goota think the average voter doesn’t know who Warner is; and knowing who he is may be his down fall.
I guess we’ll see.
John Edwards is the darling of the Nation, Center for American Progress, with his apology and poverty thing. Always mentioning how he wanted to contest 04, which still wouldn’t have produced results, except satisfying the anger.
Although it will be less Iraq in 08, will still be security, so why the embrace for a short term Senator? Although stronger a candidate than Warner. Just saw two stories today, mentioning Edwards apology and Iraq proposal, and ‘also’ John Kerry, who they mention has larger unfavorables.
Will anyone understand what we gained, and how tough the challenge?
Okay, I think I’m a bit of a dissenter in this thread, so I hope that y’all don’t mind. I like Gov. Warner a lot. He is my governor, and he has done some great things for this state. For one he cleaned up the fiscal mess, for another he improved the education here, and he actually got more kids health insurance bringing the percentage to 97% of kids in Va. with health insurance. That’s right — Warner achieved for the state of Va. what Kerry is trying to achieve for all 50 states. How can you be against that? Yes, Warner is a centrist, and therefore is going to annoy us on certain issues. No, Warner is no John Kerry. I think I have been clear in the past that I want John Kerry to be president, and I can’t think of anyone else in America who would do a better job. However, just because Warner wants to be president, for me anyways, I don’t feel the need to trash him to prop up JK. John Kerry has so many excellent attributes, I don’t feel I need to go negative on anyone else to talk him up. Warner is one of the best governors in the country. Period. But, he has no foreign policy experience. That makes him a less than ideal CIC. That’s the only talking point we need IMO. We’re at war, we can’t have another governor who needs on the job training on foreign policy.
I realize that you all disagree with me, but as a Virginia Kerrycrat, I hope that you will welcome alternative opinions. Thanks.
beachmom,
You are certainly in a better position to evaluate Warner. While I’ve been unimpressed with what I’ve seen of him, it may be due to limited exposure to what he’s done.
On health care, there is a big difference between state and national policy. I was unimpressed with his appearance at one health care symposium, but while he didn’t impress me on national health care policy at the time this doesn’t mean it couldn’t do a good job in the future as he gets more into national policy. It’s a long way until 2008 and we’ll have to see what he has to say between now and then.
I also don’t consider it to be trashing him to not support him for President. Someone could certainly be a good governor for Virginia (where we wouldn’t expect someone very liberal to win) but sitll not be someone I’d consider for President nationally.
beachmom,
The problem with your governor is that wants to be known on the national stage right now – he wants to talk about foreign policy issues, right now; issues as far as I know, he has no experience in. Warner wasn’t talking about health care or fiscal resonsibility – areas that he has experience in.
Instead, Warner starts talking milestones (milestones?). I assume he means ‘benchmarks’, but it’s all semantics (I guess). He needs to get himself a foreign policy advisor. Then he needs to get himself out here to the West coast. The general public out here wouldn’t know Warner from Santa Claus at this point.
Just a little constructive criticism, but really, the name thing is something he has to overcome.
Something else – Pamela,
There’s a great op/ed piece in the Globe by H.D.S. GREENWAY – is it worthy of posting?
Thanks, Beachmom, for the inside scoop.
Sorry I’m a little late to the convo guys. My home computer is down so I haven’t been posting as frequently.
But here’s my two cents on Warner:
He seems like he was a good governor and would probably make a decent president (Compared to Shrub, who wouldn’t?),however, there are folks far more experienced who are potential candidates. The reason Warner isn’t running for Senate is because he could very well lose to Allen. It would be a long ugly campaign that would take alot out of him. And if he did win he’d have a year of complex Senate votes for the other side to pick thru. It’s been interesting reading on DKos their thoughts on Warner. His stock rose tremendously over there after Kaine’s win, snagging alot of Clark’s support in their prez polls. They are playing desperate,imo,feeling they need to go the Southern Dem governor route. They’ve seen Warner on tv and realize he is no Mr. Charisma, so they know he isn’t the complete package they have been wishing for. The guy is to the right on JK on many issues but they choose to overlook it and still hold anger towards JK for losing to ShrubCo or besting Dean. It’s totally irrational. I agree with one of the guys I heard on MTP Sunday. He said the Dem/liberal base he’s been talking too, which is probably more representative than Kos, is that Warner would make a better VP prospect. I agree. In fact,on a Kerry-lead ticket, he could possibly turn VA blue. I wonder if there will be any fall out if JK miraculously does get the nom and doesn’t pick Edwards again?
Oops. Got off topic a bit. McCain will probably be the GOP nom. And there’s no way Warner, who is no intellectual lightweight, could beat him in a foreign policy debate. No way. A) McCain has more knowledge and B) Since Warner is positioning himself as a conservative, pro-stay-the-course Dem, he’ll probably sit and agree with McCain on everything. I’m not sure which is worse. Which leads me to my final point. Warner is shooting himself in the foot with all this talk of “I’m not concerned how we got in Iraq blah, blah blah.” The Dems have done a good job of simultaneously showing how we as a country were mislead and that we have some good ideas on how to get out of this mess. Has he seen Shrub’s poll numbers? We’re Dems. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. His advisors are misleading him bigtime on that one.
Good points, Ron. First, you are more an expert on healthcare than me. I can only point out results that Warner’s actions have created on the big issues, mostly positive. I may add it was painful for the state. He closed down DMV offices so that you had to wait in an extremely long line to get a driver’s license. However, if that means that a child can have health insurance I think a little inconvenience is worth it. He did major budget cuts AND raised taxes, an action that will be needed in 2009, no doubt. Oh, and I may add that he raised some taxes while lowering food tax, which affects the poor and middle class. Such fiscal policies show he is NOT Republican lite on the domestic side. I think at the least, he should be Treasury secretary or VP in 2009. He has a lot of talent to offer the Dems.
I was wrong on one word choice: “trash Warner”. You weren’t doing that, merely criticizing his Iraq position, which is flawed, but will appeal to a lot of Independents and even some Republicans. Sorry about that.
Hey Florida Dem,
Am I the only one here who wants a McCain vs. Kerry 2008 election? A campaign where they actually talk about the issues, instead of personal attacks? People can look at the two candidates, learn their positions, and then vote. I guess many will think that McCain will win in a blowout. I think that’s a nice way to go in, with Kerry as an underdog. But McCain can lose his temper, and may end up in an unpresidential moment. But even if McCain won, at least it would be a more honest campaign, where people could judge based on the issues instead of who you’d rather have a beer with . . .
beachmom,
Another consideration is that a Governor is a much different position than Senator or President. Governors tend to be much more involved in day to day administrative tasks and ideology is often much less significant. Administrative competence and having the right general principles is often sufficient for supporitng someone for Governor, while the overall vision of where someone wants to take the country is more of a consideration in selecting a President.
He might be a good VP choice. I wasn’t thrilled about Edwards both due to his lack of experience/achievement and as he couldn’t pull in any swing states. Warner does have governing experience, and by 2008 it is possible that Warner might be able to deliver Virginia.
One more thing…What’s even more interesting about seeing DKos twist and turn with Warner is that he is a card carrying DLC member. DKos hates the DLC but support for Clark (for his antiwar position) and Warner is high on their site. Could they be just as willing to sell out as they accuse other Dems of being? Hmmm….
Ultimately,I’m all for Warner – as VP in 08!
It is hard to predict how strong a candidate McCain will be in 2008, both for the nomination and general election
He benfits from favorable coverage now, but things will be different when he is actually running against others who are criticizing him. Should he be the front runner or nominee, the media probably also place him under increased scrutiny and his coverage might not remain as favorable as it now is.
Florida Dem,
The Kos Klowns have never been ideologically consistent.
They support Dean despite his moderate record (and pretend he is more liberal than he is). When the primaries were down to Kerry and Edwards, many supported Edwards, despite Edwards being more conservative, and despite the fact that Edwards supported the war and Kerry opposed it.
Hi beachmom!
If you’ve seen any of my recent posts, you know that I think a Kerry vs. McCain presidential election would be great for the country. However, McCain is not presidential material imo. He’s weasley but he’s about the most tolerable prospect the GOP has got.
Beachmom
Thanks for the input. I do see that Warner has done some great things for VA. He’s no FP expert and stepping into the ring with his plan echoing JK’s ideas is certainly one way for an ambitious man to win points with others. I don’t feel he’s ready for primetime, never felt that Clark or Edwards were either. Just my opinions.
We’ve got a hard road ahead of us and I still feel that we’d get farther getting off the 08 subject and sticking to the near future.
Lowering the food tax is a great approach to helping to poor, I must say. Recently food prices have spiked up again. Ed Schultz was talking about that last week. It’s going to be a long cold winter for many.
Hi Ron –
Your’re right. DKos posters are only ideologically pure when it suits them, which is fine. It’s when they demonize others, not for their positions many times, but because of sour grapes and personal gripes is what’s disheartening. Then they are further disingenuious when they claim they dislike a pol because of some obscure policy point when they support others wholeheartedly who are on the record of being far to the right of the majority of the DNC on several positions. That type of hypocrisy, the same hypocrisy they accuse many Dems of, is just plain senseless.
Personally I don’t trust Warner. I like somethings he did for Va. (raising the cigarette tax, expand health insurance) but I do think he is overrated. The tax reforms were important, but if Virginia had not been in danger of losing its triple A bond rating, the GOP state legislature would never have acted. I agree with beachmom about closing the DMVs if it means more kids get health insurance.
Frankly, Warner’s criticisms that Kerry never “took any positions against the base” scared me. If I have to live through another Southern Democrat “triangulation” campaign like 1996 I’m gonna have to scream more than Howard Dean.
Warner as VP could have some merit, but as Al Gore, Lloyd Bentsen, and John Edwards taught us when they ran for VP or Pres.: Just cause your from the south doesn’t mean southerners-even from your homestate in the South- will even come close to voting for you.
To those who say Warner won the governorship in red state its good to refresh some history.
Chuck Robb was able to win Va. governorship in 1981- just one year after Reagan won Virginia (against a southerner) by a larger margin than Bush won in Va. in 2000 or 2004. Similarly, while Bush Sr. was winning Va. by a double digit margin in 1988, Robb was winning his Senate seat. Warner deserves credit for winning in red state Va. doesn’t mean it hasn’t been done before.
Second, Since the 1970s, Virginia has always elected a governor that is the opposite party of the party controlling the White House at the time of that gubernatorial election. Warner’s (and Kaine’s) elections just continued this (rather odd) trend.
Finally, while Governor and Senator races can never be totally discounted, they are not always a great indicator as to how good a party’s chances are of winning that state in a presidential election. Even though they have GOP governors, I doubt Rove thought about winning Vermont, Massachusetts, New York, or Maryland. Similarly, the prescence of democratic governors didn’t exactly improve Democrat chances in Wyoming, Oklahoma, or Kansas. I applaud Kaine’s victory, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
Nick, Beachmom
Can someone explain how closing DMV offices helped kids get healthcare? Were the funds for the DMV offices redirected to healthcare?
Nick,
I’m assuming that Democrats might have a chance in Virginia in the future not because of electing Democratic governors alone, but because of increased population in more lliberal Washington suburbs. Perhaps this will bring Virginia closer, where having Warner on the ballot could bring in enough extra votes to win the state. Of course it is far too early to predict how such a state will go in 2008.
Florida Dem,
The only purity Kos ditto heads show is in starting from the idea that Kerry is wrong and going backwards. Add quite a bit of ignorance to this.
I’ve already mentioned how they support Democrats who were more supportive of the war than Kerry (partially out of them yelling that Kerry supported the war so many times that they actually believe this).
This is true of so many other issues. For example, they attack Kerry as being anti-gay for preferring civil unions over gay marriage, but ignore how Dean and many others have the same position. They totally ignore (or deny) Dean’s right wing posiitons on Medicare cuts.
There is an excellent chance that Kerry will be the most liberal of the viable candidates in 2008, based upon the names now floating around. It will be interesting to see how they rationalize supporting others and attacking Kerry.
Ron, we know what they’ll say. The liberal purity test is only applied to JK so they’ll attack him on every position he may disagree with them on (no matter how slight). And if they can’t get him on that then they’ll drag out the ol’ “he’s not yelling and screaming his point so therefore he’s not saying it with conviction or with fire in the belly” meme. And they’ll be quick to proclaim their anger at him for not taking on the liberal label proudly when no other candidate is asked to do so. And if all else fails they’ll nitpick every inevitable and minor mistep he makes on the campaign trail.
Nick,
Once agin you bring common sense to the table. As you stated above, Gore, Edwards, Bentsen did not win us any red states although each candidate was a southerner. Gore was on top of the ticket and could not carry his home state.Edwards proved to be a lightweight as a running mate his resume/accomplishements were to meager to carry any real weight. I wasn’t overimpressed with him in his debate with Cheney. The Democrats need to concentrate on organizing state and local parties if they want any success in a 50 state strategy. Dean, Kerry and others are working on this.
I have study Mark Warner long and hard, in fact I was approached By the DraftWarner08 people to head up Ohio. At First look Mark Warner looks very good, However I think He is alittle more Republican then Democrat. I am, and will always be a Kerry 08 guy, until JK says he will not run(hopefully that never happens) but if it should I still would not be a Warner guy. I watched him on cspan when he was in New Hampshire, He is a very smart money man, but lacks foreign policy ideas and has No idea on how to handle the growing medical crisis in this country. I know it is very early for 08 talk, and 06 is a must for us to move this country forward, but for me he lacks to much. I also like a commander in chief who has served in the military, not that there has not been alot of great Presidents who have not served, that is just my choice. John Kerry in my eyes has the total package this country needs to get it back on track and keep it moving forward.
Pamela
I can’t stand here and show some document proving that funds were redirected. Lord knows I don’t favor closing DMV offices. But given the fact that DMV offices (thought not a lot) were closed while health care was somewhat expanded, IF the two events are connected I concur with Beachmom that the DMV cuts were most likely worth it.
Lothario
Thanks for your comments, they sure are appreciated.
Nick
I was just curious if that was the scenario. Too bad we couldn’t do something like that here in CA – LOL – as though Arhnold would expand healthcare!
Nick,
Is there anyway I could get your email if you don’t mind. I would like to stay in touch with a fellow Kerrycrat who is close in proximity.
Dante
Well, I watched Warner’s speech recently and what he talked about was “priorities”. He decided that education, kids’ healthcare, Medicaid, and the like were priorities. EVERYTHING else was on the chopping block. Then he did deep budget cuts (including the DMV office/employee cuts), showing the GOP that he had done major cuts but that it wasn’t enough to balance the budget. Only then, did he do tax increases. I like this approach, especially when you have a GOP controlled legislature or Congress. Although you can’t do a one to one ratio between DMV offices and kids’ health care, he was very clever in propping up Democratic values (education and healthcare), while getting enough Republicans on board by honoring their values (or what used to be their values), fiscal restraint. His one weakness (budget wise) was transportation, which is largely underfunded — Kaine will have to deal with it.
I thought in California, a governor’s options are more limited than in Virginia. However, Arnold really blew it, didn’t he? He could have used Warner as his role model on how to get things done with a legislature on the opposite side. Show respect for them first, and only after you’ve gained their trust can you try to move them in your direction.
lothario
I’m at
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Well it does appear Warner is posturing. I will say I am glad to hear he has done this –
Virginia Governor to spare convicted murderer
It looks like Kos is becoming delusional:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/29/15457/355
He sees the election of Dean as DNC Chair as a case of the “netroots” out maneuvering the evil Kerry. “We outmaneuvered Kerry, who wanted to install Vilsack and then Sheehan by fiat.”
Oy vey – do they know the primaries are over?
Pamela, maybe Warner checked some of the polls on what Americans think about the death penalty.
Ron, wouldna’t that be MORE delusional?
Interesting how quickly the letters got off topic. Speaking of whether people have the experience for the presidency. Just because he was a Govenor doesn’t give him the skills for a presidency. The Administrative work does make him a good candidate for the DNC chair.
Warner might be OK for VP. I was at a campaign townhall with Edwards and found him impressive. I agree Nick’s stats always help keep the assumptions from being taken as seriously as some people want to. It still bugs me that any significant number of people make a decision like that – enough to put someone on the ticket. I want someone who is as saavy as Al Gore and will work as hard. It will take the best to help the President get us out of the mess.
Ginny
One would hope he did because he’s not so keen on the death penalty.
Ron – I saw that. Deaniac netroots’ maneuvering skills had little to do with why Dean was installed as DNC chair. Grassroot Dems who actually get off their butts and do something daily helped to put Dean in – not the basement keyboard bunch. I also suspect that the party’s power brokers wanted to appease the rowdy Dean wing and keep them in line, because being the drama queens that they are – they kept threatening to jump ship and post bad things on the Internet every week if they didn’t get their way. Their small contribution to Dean getting the chairmanship wasn’t so much out-manuevering as it was emotional blackmail. I think the party’s movers and shakers also obliged because they knew the chairmanship was largely an administrative function anyway and that Harry Reid and Pelosi would be setting most of the Dem agenda. So why cause a public party split over it? And was there any doubt that the next DNC Chair would do more grassroots outreach? All of the candidates for the post agreed on that. I’m fine with Dean as DNC chair, frankly. It’s primarily an administrative job with some media duties. It’s not really a policy-setting position. But for them to act like it was them who put Dean in is delusional. If the big wigs REALLY didn’t want Dean in, he wouldn’t have gotten in, period. In fact, probably more than anything, indifference by most Dems on who got the post(me included), swept Dean in more than anything.
florida dem,
Dean also got the job on his own (helped by his name recognition). He did the hard work of calling everyone on the DNC and personally going after their votes. It also helped that when Howard Dean called everyone would at least take his call, while this might not have always been the case with lesser known candidates.
One of the things Dean did to win over votes was to show how moderate his record was as opposed to his reputation. Imagine if Kerry campaigned for a position in this manner–the ditto heads at Kos would be all over him.
Sorry responding back to beachmom…
Thanks for your comments! I realize I shouldn’t have been so quick to dump on the guy… one can support other Democrats and still support JK above all.
Anyway, I just wanted to add that I did remember reading that Warner was ranked #1 when they did a study of top five best governors in the country…! So you’re right… he really IS the best governor! Am I correct in saying that Kaine is more liberal than Warner?
beachmom,
Back up on the thread, you stated that if 2008 came down to McCain Vs. Kerry, you thought McCain would blow out Kerry. Why?
Before the 2000 campaign, I used to think McCain (along with Powell) was above party politics. Not anymore. The way McCain went out for Shrub in the ’04 campaign, grabing as many of those Shub Hugs as he could get – sickening. I would think that would be a stain on his integrity.
Blue Washington
I think when McCain got a taste of the nasty thrown at him when he ran against Shrub he learned how to play republican hardball. I doubt he’ll play mr niceguy even it if it is JK and McCain.
Pamela,
I think you’re right.
I also could imagine a Kerry commercial 3 years from now, McCain hugging Shrub, Shrub hugging McCain, and the sound over voice saying something like, “Can you trust this man?”
Blue Washington
LOL! Me thinks it’s going to be a long couple of years. All this posturing for 08. Hill was at it today. I posted a little about her Iraq position. “rolling eyes”
Speaking of McCain, I go wondering off around the net and find McCain campaigning for Santorum in PA! More material for those commercials. Is McCain a centrist? Is he a Teddy Roosevelt Republican? No on both accounts. McCain is NOT a centrist, and TR was a progressive.
BTW, are there any progressive Republicans left? I can’t find any and that’s why I’ve given up on the GOP.
A day late, at least $400 short, and all just to say, great read, folks! Whatever happens in 2008, some pols are standing up now for basic Democrat principles… and we need that more than ever.
Will wander into Rural Red this morning chuckling over “Shrub Hugs.” Gad, that image of McCain’s head on Shrub’s shoulder still gags me. Maybe “McShrub Hug” ???
Hee hee – McShrub Hug. One order to go!
Here you go Mr. McCain, would you like some DeLay with that?
One McShrub Hug, with a side of DeLay and an order of Frist… TO GO! d;-)
Blue Washington
LOL! A McShrub Hug? McCain might want one of those, although it will cost him A LOTT of credibility with voters.
Okay, I’m late gettng back here and since I started the “dump on Warner” let me clarify.
As I’ve said warner was left to deal with one heck of a mess concerning VA’s budget health thanks to allen and gilmore. He did a good job and was able to get the repubs to back his plans.
I do have a problem with him getting all the credit for Kaine’s victory. In the end Kaine was the candidate and his name was on the ballot.
Dems can’t afford to be taken for a ride any more by people who want to run as a dem but turn and trash other dems. Warner needs to brush up on his facts before crictizing others where Iraq is concerned.
VA is a big state and yes warner has done a decent job running it but there is something about him thats troubling. Is he worse than mccain and bush? No. But He needs to tread more carefully or it will come back to haunt him.
Incase you all missed it, the DLC has endorsed Warner’s position as one of theirs along with Hill and Joe’s. I’m wondering where this will all go next.
McShrub hugs?
Yeeeaaahhh, McShrub Hugs for all those DLC’er types who go down that road. What’s up with those guys?
2 things to recognize – the vote for IWR was wrong, and know we need to figure out the quickest way out. Make no mistake – sooner or later, we gotta get out.
Hill, Joe – can we get you some fastfood?
Well, I’m really late responding here, but on McCain/Kerry, I was trying to say that pundits will say that it will be a blowout, and early polls will show the same. However, under pressure it is not apparent that McCain will not make major mistakes. Then Kerry may end up being the presidential one. But, yeah, all this ’08 speculation is fun for a while, then it’s time to get back to ’06!
Today, I resolve to go to blogs and just say hello… so, hello